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FK Chiller marathon on air promos 
8th-Sep-2009 10:26 pm
FK--Nick (cross)
I owe people responses and I promise to get to them. Unfortunately, my internet time is a little scarce right now because my brother needs my computer for work stuff.

However, I do come bearing gifts for those of you who couldn't share in the fun of yesterday's Forever Knight marathon. It was awesome and fun and very enlightening is some ways. (Psst! Chiller edits made completely new scenes!) Chiller also put out three promos to promote the darn thing. They're pretty darn cool. I've uploaded all three to YouTube. The first one is here, the second one is here and the third one is here. Having FK on my TV was great and I can't wait to post about it!








Comments 
9th-Sep-2009 05:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing these promos! I think it's a well done marketing concept to pick up younger audiences by mentioning Edward and Angel and then lure them into the world of FK.

What kind of edit did Chiller do to the episodes? And how did new scenes evolve from that?

Oh, how I wish, FK would be back on the air on a regular basis. I still remember the anticipation that took hold of me each evening while I was waiting for the show to begin.
19th-Sep-2009 06:52 am (UTC)
Thanks for sharing these promos! I think it's a well done marketing concept to pick up younger audiences by mentioning Edward and Angel and then lure them into the world of FK.

I think they were very well done too. They were very slick however I was a little disappointed that Janette wasn't a part of it and LaCroix's participation extended only to his "death". Still, every time I saw the promos I got very excited.

What kind of edit did Chiller do to the episodes? And how did new scenes evolve from that?

Chiller edited for time. There were TONS of commercials and they were very long so entire scenes were missing. I think Janette got edited out more than any of the other characters. For me it gave the show more of a cop show emphasis and excluded the vampire world building that Janette represented.

I was hoping that we'd see some of the scenes that were not a part of the DVD release but only the scene from "I Will Repay" where Nick is upset with the young cop for not keeping the gun that shot Richard secure was "new".
20th-Sep-2009 05:27 pm (UTC)
>"...but only the scene from "I Will Repay" where Nick is upset with the young cop for not keeping the gun that shot Richard secure was "new"."

Well, that explains why I don't remember that bit. :-) When I have time, I'll see if I can hunt up a VHS copy of the first-run US "I Will Repay," and see what there is to see...
20th-Sep-2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
I don't recall this scene at all. I'll have to watch my German tapes again. I remember that they edited the beginning differently during one airing of this episode, with the title music already starting during the scene.
20th-Sep-2009 11:50 pm (UTC)
I was excited to see the "additions" to IWR because I hadn't seen them since I recorded the episodes off of Sci-Fi years ago. At least I hope I'm remembering this correctly.

FK you make my head hurt. :P
20th-Sep-2009 05:05 pm (UTC)
*psst* It sounds like Chiller did not edit. It sounds like Chiller aired the original, CBS, US first-season episodes, which were much shorter than the Canadian takes or the German takes. I'll post about it. What's exciting is that this means someone has those cuts! Most of us thought they were lost, when the differences never turned up on the DVDs as extras.
14th-Sep-2009 12:04 am (UTC)
>"Chiller edits made completely new scenes"

Aaaaaa! I must know! But I must wait until your brother gives you back your computer! I... suddenly wish I got Chiller. I don't have time to watch the flipping networks, never mind cable, but... for FK, anything. :-)

Thank you for sharing!
19th-Sep-2009 07:37 am (UTC)
Aaaaaa! I must know!

You know in CB where Nat jokes that most of her patients have all been dead and Nick is helping her with her coat? The scene itself is gone but the dialogue lives! It was superimposed onto the establishing shot of Nick and Nat arriving at the warehouse where Nancy Leung is being kept.

That to me blows my mind because it wasn't that Chiller simply edited out scenes (which they did and it's a common practice) but they took it upon themselves to reworked a scene by lifting dialogue from a proceeding scene and placing it in a scene that had none.

Chiller edits also made it feel like a slightly different show. Janette was the biggest victim of the edits. Schanke suffered as well but not as much. For me it repositioned the show from being about a vampire cop in modern times with connections to larger and external fantastical elements (like the vampire community) and made it more of a standard cop show with a lead who happened to be a vampire.

The flashbacks were still present but the viewing felt different. If anything it motivated me to pay a little more attention. Fora while there I thought I was going crazy.

I thought I'd dozed off during the flashback in LA where Erica tells Nick what she saw in his blood. I hadn't. Bye-bye Nick backstory.

Also, there I was watching "Dance by the Light of the Moon" waiting for Schanke's Marsha Brecker story about writing "Ringi Forover" and when it didn't play I thought maybe I'd zoned out here as well. Negative. Also gone was the whole subplot of Natalie thinking that Nick was neglecting his police duties for Anne Foley, so no flower and perfume bottle at the end of that episode.

So, on we go to "False Witness" and I'm waiting for Schanke's early morning loft pep talk. Nope. Never happened. Or how about Nick talking to Janette on the street after he admitted that he hadn't see the shooting? Nonexistent. Inconceivable!

Part of me was upset with all of these changes but I consoled myself with the knowledge that at least FK was once again airing on television and got pretty, pretty promos to market it. :-)

Although I did find it amusing that that every episode began with the 'CBS Surround Sound' logo like DK does on the DVD.
20th-Sep-2009 05:24 pm (UTC) - It's not Chiller; it's CBS!
It sounds to me, from your wonderful descriptions, that Chiller did not, in fact, make new cuts itself. It sounds like they aired the original, CBS, US, first-season cuts, which were notoriously short, crammed into that special late-night slot. This is exciting, because it means that those cuts survived!

When the DVDs were first (finally) coming out, we were grateful for anything, of course, but what we wanted most were the German first-run version of first season (longest), then the Canadian, and only last the US. When the first DVD sets hit, people scrutinized them, timed them, and determined they were the first-run Canadian cuts, and while we would have loved extras, we all settled back pretty happily. (Only first-season has such first-run differences. The others were the same in all markets, until SciFi re-cut them for reruns.)

I have these on VHS still, so I can look up the differences if needed, but all the ones you describe click with me. Perhaps the most famous one is that the first-run US cut of "False Witness" did not include the scene in which Nick tells Janette that Lacroix is dead... exactly as you describe. My friend batdina, a Raven, watched the first run in the US, and she tells the story of much later getting together with people who had tapes of the first-run Canadians, and her exclamation and excitement over that key scene.

Right up until the DVDs came out, there would be confused debates on forkni-l from time-to-time, as people cited slightly different cuts of the same episode. This hit home for me when I saw a certain scene in a vid that I had never seen in an episode. It clearly belonged in "Last Act" -- there was Erica -- but it wasn't on my tape. :-)

Now, it's also important to know that there were a few short scenes in the US versions that were cut from the Canadian versions, trading off for those longer scenes. ~sigh~ This is why a brief burst of key dialogue about souls is missing from the "False Witness" flashback on the DVDs, darn them. Just a few sentences, but it's so very missing. So that would be the absolute check on the origin of these Chiller cuts: did their "False Witness" include [ "Why dio you think that is, Nicholas? Is it because they have souls?"/"And you do not."/"We do not!" ] ?
20th-Sep-2009 11:47 pm (UTC) - Re: It's not Chiller; it's CBS!
>It sounds to me, from your wonderful descriptions, that Chiller did not, in fact, make new cuts itself. It sounds like they aired the original, CBS, US, first-season cuts...This is exciting, because it means that those cuts survived!

Now that is very cool. The CBS cuts you say. Well that would certainly explain the "Surround Sound" logo. It's all so exciting! The closest I got to vampires in 1992 was Count Duckula cartoons, lol, so I never got to see this version of the show.

When the first DVD sets hit, people scrutinized them, timed them, and determined they were the first-run Canadian cuts, and while we would have loved extras, we all settled back pretty happily.

The first time I ever got wind of various cuts for the first season was in 2003 with the announcement of the first season DVDs. I remembered obsessing over the show before XF came along so I did some searching and came across fan discussion about the various cuts. The discussion was extremely interesting but when the price for the set was released I deemed it too much for money tight, college self. I sometimes like to hope that Sony will release a box set of the series with the complete cuts. If the pop culture interest in vampire hangs on for a few more years who knows. Well, the complete cuts may be a pipe dream but the box set might not.

I was hoping Chiller would air the complete/Canadian cut of DK. I wanted Nick's comments to Alyce about the incorrect placement of armor on the knight "Guy couldn't relieve himself" and covering by saying he took classes at NYU. "It happens to you once, you don't forget." Oh, Nick.

>Perhaps the most famous one is that the first-run US cut of "False Witness" did not include the scene in which Nick tells Janette that Lacroix is dead... exactly as you describe.

That omission is mind blowing to me. It's such a fantastic scene not only in atmosphere and performance but in that it reveals Janette's thoughts on the LaCroix incident.

>So that would be the absolute check on the origin of these Chiller cuts: did their "False Witness" include [ "Why dio you think that is, Nicholas? Is it because they have souls?"/"And you do not."/"We do not!" ] ?

Hmm, I'll have to look that up. My first instinct is to say yes it's there but I won't be certain until I screen the episode again.
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